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Sun vs Jenday 
24th-Jan-2010 10:21 pm
Hi,
I've been an avid reader of this comm for about a year now. Occasionally I've even stuck my nose in and commented. Now I have a question, am in need of sage advice and experience.

I have a Quaker already, he's been part of my life for a year now and I love him dearly. We also own two insane, wonderful budgies. My daughter and I are ready to expand our feathered family and we've decided on a conure. Our breeder has both Jendays and Suns that will be ready to go in a month, so here's the thing.... She wants a Jenday, I want a Sun.

I've read up on both etc. etc. but what I really crave is personal experience with both types so we can make our final decision. What, if any, are the differences between them? What are they like?

Help, please, we're torn. :)


ETA: Thank you all for the input. It may be a "toss a coin" decision after all. *g* I suspected they were 'related' and that the noise levels would be possibly awesome; we're prepared for that. Can't wait... *quiet squee*
Comments 
24th-Jan-2010 11:37 am (UTC)
Well My Sun is Loud excitable territorial and very very nippy.
But I love her any way.
The two things she does that I cannot stand and really really loath are the projectile poop out of the cage onto the walls like a lory. And the ear-shattering shrill double shrieks she does all the time. [excited/alarmed/annoyed] she came to me with that call and I cannot deter her from it no matter what, and she taught it to my nanday conure.
24th-Jan-2010 11:52 am (UTC)
Thanks for that. :) Loki (Quaker)can projectile poop like a lory, too. LOL

I wonder about the "loud". I'd heard some folk refer to Quakers as loud, but I don't find Loki, even at his most shrill to be annoying at all. I've also listened to Suns online and to me it doesn't sound too bad. I guess growing up in Australia where every second neighbor had a cocky kind of immunized me.

Then again, an online recording probably isn't a patch on the real thing. :P
24th-Jan-2010 12:04 pm (UTC)
The loud is not really a problem. the shrill piercing pitch of it is. Loud I can ignore. As she is housed in the same room as a Severe macaw and a DYH Zon and her buddy my nanday, a tiel, a bunch of parakeets, and a GCC, as well as some zebra finches.

I know that when I was helping out a local bird rescue here in Dallas recently I did not like the noise the quakers they had were making the kinda loud excited machine gun kinda noise? Which would rule them out as a bird for me.
24th-Jan-2010 06:41 pm (UTC)
Sun conures are 8904389043829048908490890432890432890432890 times louder than quakers. :)

Plus another 8904389048329084902 times.

Hear one in person. A LOT of people simply cannot handle their shrill calls, and they are extremely vocal parrots.
24th-Jan-2010 08:16 pm (UTC)
Yes, I just want to back this one up. Times 5435 billion.

I am one of the types that love these guys very much but just cannot handle their calls. The tone, pitch, whatever... something about it triggers my "MUST DIE" button in my head.
24th-Jan-2010 08:18 pm (UTC)
Whereas the quaker makes me stabby, but I can completely deal with the sun conure.

I'm getting better with the quaker too.

The lory still makes me want to murder him and stuff him in a pot to make lory stew when he does his joyful 'I am shrieking into my bells' routine, though.
24th-Jan-2010 08:26 pm (UTC)
Quakers make me stabby too, but for different reasons than conures. I really like the birds! Just can't live with their calls.

My #1 offender is a Group of Lovebirds. That'll make me flip my lid faster than any other parrot I've encountered!

Whereas a macaw bellowing/screaming can get annoying but it doesn't instantly make me want to call fire down upon the masses.

This is one of those points that I think people don't 'get' until they spend time around a lot of different species though! If someone had told me 10 years ago that I'd enjoy a macaw yelling far more than lovebird chatter I probably would have laughed at how absurd that sounded.

24th-Jan-2010 08:28 pm (UTC)
Yeah, well, the #1 parrot I think I could never, ever live with, ever?

A cockatiel. Their calls drive me crazy. I simply cannot tolerate the cockatiel contact call.

I'm not particularly fond of the noises budgies make too? Macaws, though, I have no issue with.
25th-Jan-2010 05:13 am (UTC)
You have got to get that "shrieking into bells" on tape :) Then we'll all know the meaning of "annoying."
24th-Jan-2010 02:24 pm (UTC)
I personally have a dusky conure b/c both Jendays and Suns are WAY too loud for me. (Duskies are the same genus as Suns, but somehow aren't quite as loud. Nandays are a separate genus entirely.) Suns are infamous for their volume level, and the one time I played with a friendly Jenday even his "keep scratching me" croons were loud so I can't imagine what his screams would be like. One thing that surprised me when I was interacting with the Jenday was their size - they're significantly larger than Suns, so if Suns and Quakers are medium or medium/small in size, Jendays are medium/large. Along with their larger size they'll need larger cages, more food, different toys, will make more mess, may have louder yells, and can cause more damage if they bite.
24th-Jan-2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
Jendays and suns are the same size, honestly.

Are you sure you were playing with a jenday?
24th-Jan-2010 07:23 pm (UTC)
Oop! My bad, I mixed up Jendays and Nandays! :-P

OP: please ignore my comments above since they describe NANdays, not JENdays.
24th-Jan-2010 04:56 pm (UTC)
Jendays and Suns are very close genetically, I would think that any difference between personality would all be up to the individual bird.
The size difference that Zandperl describes might have had to do with age.

From Wikipedia:
The Sun Parakeet is monotypic, but the Aratinga solstitialis complex includes three additional species from Brazil: Jenday Parakeet, Golden-capped Parakeet, and Sulphur-breasted Parakeet. These have all been considered subspecies of the Sun Parakeet, but most recent authorities maintain their status as separate species. Alternatively, it has been suggested that the Sun Parakeet and the Sulphur-breasted Parakeet represent one species, while the Jenday Parakeet and Golden-capped Parakeet represent a second. Of these, the Sulphur-breasted Parakeet was described only in 2005, having gone unnoticed at least partially due to its resemblance to certain pre-adult plumages of the Sun Parakeet. The Sun, Jandaya, and Golden-capped Parakeets will all interbreed in captivity (it is likely, but unconfirmed, that the recently described Sulphur-breasted also will interbreed with these). In the wild, hybrids between the Jenday Parakeetand Golden-capped Parakeet have been reported in their limited area of contact, but it has been speculated that most such individuals could be sub-adults (which easily could be confused with hybrids). As far as known, the remaining taxa are entirely allopatric, although it is possible that the Sun Parakeet and the Sulphur-breasted Parakeet come into contact in the southern Guianas, where some doubts exists over the exact identity.[6]
24th-Jan-2010 05:27 pm (UTC)
My sun is affectionate, clever, charming, adorable, snotty, demanding, selfish, stubborn, messy, and LOUD. Oh, and he's REALLY LOUD. Like, loud to the point that if you have guests who dislike loud noises, they will be uncomfortable and probably annoyed. You can do things to dramatically reduce how much they'll scream, but they're still going to do it to some degree. They're also very active and need a large cage. The EFC is probably the smallest I'd put mine in, and even then I feel a little guilty it's not larger.

Honestly, for me the answer would depend more on who is going to care for the bird. How old is your daughter? Is the bird going to stay with you when she moves out? If that's the case, then get what you want, and more importantly - what you feel you can handle.
24th-Jan-2010 06:40 pm (UTC)
Simple answer:

They're pretty much the same. There's no major differences between a sun and a jenday other than coloration. Both are freakishly loud, both are delightfully obnoxious, both have the same requirements. :)

I like suns better because I think they're prettier, but.
24th-Jan-2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
Both clownish, loud, a little beaky and big fans of the OMG I"M HANGING BY ONE TOE AND SWINGING AND SCREAMING TOO DO YOU WANT TO PLAY OMG YOU CAN'T SO I WILL JUST DO IT MORE! game.
24th-Jan-2010 07:24 pm (UTC)
the _best_ game
28th-Jan-2010 08:29 pm (UTC)
If you can get a picture or video of that game I'd really love to see it! It sounds hilarious.
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